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One of the strange disconnects in this case involves the use of language and the differences across languages. A lot of people overlook this aspect but it probably is the root of this killing.

1) The mother of the husband says that she believes jealousy was a cause of the murder. Neither the victim nor the husband were movie stars and neither were tramps either so people tend not to understand what she was referring to.

2) This 'misunderstanding' is most evident when the parents of the victim are being interviewed and the mother goes through all sorts of mental gymnastics trying to be inclusive to Sergio's mother. She comes up with the best explanation for what his mother meant but it is weak, to be polite.

3) Sergio's mother was aware Sergio's dad was sleeping with other women, and her comment makes it clear that some of the women he slept with were 'high risk'. It's one thing to sleep with a 40 year old woman whose home he is reflooring, but quite different to sleep with the daughter of that household because she was the only one home when he went on that job. Or with the girlfriend of a powerful person working an alternative job.

4) The specific way Sergio's mother refers to 'jealousy' gives the appearance that her husband prefers to sleep with higher risk women.

5) The fact that the daughter in law was targeted means that the offended party was well disciplined, took his time, etc. So the relationship could have occurred a long time prior, many months or more.

6) There seems to have been enough information available to solve this case, and a person should look at possible reasons it was not solved. One scenario is that the killer was connected to a Mexican group and federal agents in the United States wanted to use him to get some sort of information or access, so they used the murder in a way similar to what was done in the murder of Basma, Tariq and Sultana Rafay. In that case the killer was of use to U.S. 'counter terror' bureaucrats so they arranged to solve the case by arresting the wrong people.

7) There are several things that indicate U.S. federal agents may have sabotaged the case. When federal law enforcement engage in an operation to deceive the public there is one common signature, involving diffusing attention or 'sending people in multiple directions', a sort of psychological 'divide and conquer'. In this case the common assumption would be that if the killer was Latino he would be Mexican or Central American. Shifting the focus to Miami, an area with mostly Cuban Latinos, would be typical for U.S. federal agents trying to hide something.

If local police were given the "Miami" lead by a federal agency then it is likely a federal agency is hiding something about the case from local police.

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This is an interesting murder case that seems to have an obvious solution.

TLDR The father of the husband had a girlfriend whose patron was offended by the relationship. He wanted to kidnap the son's wife and get revenge, but the killer and victim had different backgrounds and she did not cooperate in the kidnapping.

Here is a detailed video on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmpS2sqBZuE 

And possibly the most useful video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpi9ydaHCDU 

And an interview with the only person available to consider as a suspect, i.e., the husband, and an interview with the parents, both by a very nuanced interviewer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfWJGX5q7cA 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_p8ktkdoPQ 

Tribalcash videos on the case.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jzf2pP_rGO4 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnhL-BTOzsg 

The parents are unusually honest, humble, soft spoken.

There seems to be quite a significant amount of indication that the husband may have been involved, but the parents of the victim are hesitant to consider that without hard evidence, because of their basic integrity. Same with the first video at the top. The tv station interviewer asks careful questions which draw out indications of involvement without triggering alarms.

For the parents' sake it would be better if the son in law is not involved but a person will have to wait and see. There is more than enough evidence to convict him in front of most juries and his personality would make it very easy to get a confession whether he is guilty or not. Most likely the only reason he has not been charged is that the parents of the victim do not believe he is guilty or are not sure.

One of the biggest mysteries is how the vehicle has not been identified yet. There may be 100,000 of that vehicle within a thousand miles, a number that could be reduced to a few hundred possibilities without too much work. The problem here is that the police are looking for a shortcut instead of simply doing the work involved in reducing the number of possible trucks from 100,000 or whatever to a few hundred then handing those few hundred to a detail oriented person.

Another video and a more detailed page may be written after it is solved.

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Some guesses

1) Is it possible the husband is not involved? Extremely possible.

2) Why did the killer hold out his left hand? The most likely explanation is that the intention was to kidnap her, but it's also very possible it was a robbery. A comment by the mother of the victim indicates that she was led to believe it was a kidnapping attempt, and the evidence does point to that.

3) What is the significance of her having survived until the next day? It indicates the gun was probably a .22 which again points to a kidnapping attempt. The use of a smaller caliber gun by that specific person, the shooter, also points to an uninvolved third party who employed the shooter and mentored him. A smarter person pressuring a less bright person to kidnap, not kill, in a 'kidnap or kill' would give the shooter a smaller caliber gun.

4) Is there a way to exclude the husband? Yes, the interviews so far have not been done to exclude him, but if he were interviewed with that intention then it could be done if he was not involved.

5) Why would the killer have parked so far away if the intention was kidnapping? Part of that goes to the psychology of the project, and part probably due to knowledge of the cameras.

6) Were there two people in the pickup? Maybe not, even though the parents and others have been led to believe that. If there were two people in the pickup it would reduce the chances that the husband was involved.

7) What is the significance of the information about the father in law in "on-the-case-with-paula-zahn-season-25-episode-7"? The episode suggests that it might indicate the father in law was the killer, but actually it may indicate something quite different. 

8) What is the significance of the police saying the gun used might have been a .380? They have said they thought it was a revolver, and there is a .380 revolver, but most people associate .380 with a cheap small automatic. It seems unlikely the police do not know the caliber so this is probably an attempt by a group of police to pretend they are 'managing' the case by giving dubious information.

9) What is the significance of the life insurance? The husband's comment that he did not know about it, along with his comment that he is not going to retrieve it, but if he did he would give 'most of it' to certain causes, is ambiguous. https://youtu.be/yfWJGX5q7cA?t=1318

10) Are there problems evident in the interview with the parents? Yes, both parents show confusion when explaining some things involving the husband of the victim. They are trying to assimilate 'facts' that might not be facts and they want to 'combine' the husband's and wife's actions   https://youtu.be/6Y4ZBSOjrlA?t=512 

11) How psychologically significant is the white van? It is very significant because of what is known about the husband's father. White trucks are always the first choice of somebody who wants to hide in a public group, and the fact that the shooter had a smaller truck of an 'opposite' color may be significant. A lot of people drive a white service vehicle out of convenience, but it is always significant, in that there is always a fairly straight psychological line from any specific white van to the individuals who explain its use. It is almost a phenomenon. In this case the father had certain traits which would cause specific other traits in his son, and he had a business which had a white van his son used.

12) Is it possible her killing involved either a personal conflict from work or some sort of issue involving a threat she might have posed to her boss? Yes, possible. Common killings are solved maybe 90% of the time, but corporate killings are probably solved less than 1% of the time because they are carefully planned and executed. In this case there might be a 5% chance, or less, that it related to her work.

13) How likely that it was a person or people from the star wars role play group, and that group was independent of her husband, he had no knowledge? Maybe 5% to 10% chance or less. Normally this would be the first choice except that there is so much circumstantial evidence pointing to the husband or father in law.

14) So what is the most likely scenario? The father of the husband had a girlfriend whose patron/husband/father was offended by the relationship. He wanted to kidnap the son's wife and get revenge, but the killer and victim had different backgrounds and she did not cooperate in the kidnapping. The style of kidnapping and the reactions by the father in law's family point to the girl the father in law slept with being younger and going to her patron almost immediately. In other words he slept with her then she went to her patron/husband/father. Because the relationship ended quickly it would be hard to find her, but she could probably be identified by her patron having withdrawn around $3000 to $5000 in cash several weeks before the killing with no corresponding purchase.

15) <80% that it was a revenge killing arranged by the husband or father of one of the father in law's girlfriends. The overuse of the word 'jealousy' by the victim's mother in law, considering how the mother of the victim strains with that concept, might mean the victim's mother in law considers that a possibility and communicated as best she could. The word 'jealous' has significantly different connotations in different languages.

16) An important piece of evidence seems to be the fact that Sergio's last paycheck bounced, and his wife was upset about that. It isn't clear if that would point more to one of Sergio's friends or one of his father's friends as being the shooter or arranging the shooting  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpi9ydaHCDU

17) If the husband was not involved then there would have been another vehicle surveilling the neighborhood in the weeks before the killing. That could have been a local rental.

18) Because it was more of a 'kidnapping' than a murder, the truck would be important in finding the physical location of a group which has a place where they can safely keep kidnapped people. In other words the truck's origin would probably solve other cases of disappearance rather than murder, cases that are under investigated because they are disappearances not murders.

19) What were the victim and shooter saying to each other? The shooter said "My boss wants to talk to you and you have to come with me". She said "No, who are you?" He said "You have to come with me".

20) Did the shooting indicate personal anger on the part of the shooter, because of how he shot? No, it is a normal type of shooting. First a flurry of shots because at the first shot the person will run and a flurry of bullets will slow them down, then a fatal shot.

21) If the husband was not involved, how much surveillance prior to the killing is suggested? Much more than most people may suspect. If the father in laws girlfriend's patron was very wealthy there could have been dozens of hours going through the neighborhood preparing, over several weeks.

22) What is the biggest impediment to solving the case, the reason it is hard to solve? The specific girl or 'girlfriend' of the father in law had a very jealous patron, which points to her being younger, late teens or early 20s probably, and probably a very short lasting relationship between her and the father in law. He may have slept with a number of women who he remembers well, but since this relationship was so brief the father in law might not even recall her name.

23) Is there a way to solve it quickly? The father of the husband could be brought to a rural interrogation site and questioned to find a younger woman he slept with whose patron, father or husband is very 'old worldish'. After questioning for a few hours he could be shot in the leg and told that he is still missing the important detail, then questioned another hour. The last name he provides, or the youngest, or the one he slept the fewest times with is probably the daughter/girlfriend of the person who arranged the kidnapping gone wrong.

24) One thing that is not clear is why the shooter has certain habits. The mainstream view https://youtu.be/3fWYFF313c0?t=1058 is that the shooter is a mainstream U.S. person raised in the common culture of the U.S. The 'stabbing' way he or she shoots may mean it is a woman, sort of like how a lot of women throw a baseball like a shot put, but it could also just mean he is not mainstream U.S.. Same with the reference in that video to shooting 'center mass'. Mainstream people in the U.S. have their heads filled with silly nonsense like 'center mass' when they are 'trained', but people who are in a different environment may learn rather than be trained.

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One of the most useful remaining mysteries is how Sergio started in the star wars group. If he had been doing that before he met his wife, as some suggest, then it would point towards his father. If he did not have a history of that before he met her then it could point to him.

Regardless there is no doubt the current situation is not pleasant nor sustainable for him.

The most entertaining aspect of the case is the fact that lie detector tests were given to Sergio and his father.

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When police do what they appear to be doing in this case, are they reducing crime in the future?

No, all they are doing is creating more avenues for police corruption.

A comment on the case that is prevented from being posted elsewhere on Youtube

@WelshChappie Youtube is preventing me from posting this in the thread below so I post it here.

1) Here is a screenshot of Google Trends using the link you provide. There is no way I found to get the result you got. https://tribalcash.org/images/gtrendsbarraza.png Can you post a similar screenshot of your result i.e., of the link you provided with parameters visible?

2) My opinion is that him handing her a note is fiction. Extending his left hand as he holds a gun in his right would be normal in a kidnapping. Handing her a note would not be, and would have left considerable evidence.

3) As far as your sarcasm "HCSO and HCC4 are sworn enemies and don't like each other at all so their too busy having a war with each other to notice the feds tip toeing away with with a box labeled "Fragile Evidence, Cover up."" I'm not sure what HCC4 is, but in my opinion there is more evidence that a federal agency is hobbling the investigation than there is that a note was handed to her.

4) Explaining why it looks like the feds are preventing the case from being solved, it would require a long explanation, but here is the underlying rationale.

a) Agencies sometimes use information about crimes to get access to smaller criminal groups they did not have access to.

b) It's very common to 'overlook' trivial crimes and use information about those crimes to try to gain access, but that also happens with major crimes like murder. The Rafay case is an example.

c) In this case, if the shooter is male he is clearly shooting in a way that would be unusual for a male in the United States i.e., leaning into the shots as he fires. The fact that they are not that far from Mexico could mean that the reason the shooter is different is that he is not a U.S. person.

d) If he came through a border crossing within a week of the shooting he would have been identified by a federal agency, and if he were part of a smaller group which the U.S. does not have access to then penetrating that group would have higher priority than solving the murder.

e) The scenario of 'Oscar slept with the daughter/wife of the wrong person, and that person hired a hitman' means that the husband/father of the girl is both conventional, or 'old school', and plugged in. In other words he is a very security conscious person whose group would be less likely to have been compromised. Of course that is not conclusive proof of anything but if I were going to put money on it that's where it would go. The fact that local police were sent to Miami adds considerable weight to the opinion that a federal agency is sabotaging the murder investigation.

 

 

 

 Memorial day weekend, 2016 Lt Russo, NYPD, follows Chanel Lewis for a while because he doesn't feel that a person like Mr Lewis should walk around an upscale neighborhood like Howard Beach. The lieutenant calls some more police. They force Chanel Lewis into a car and dump him in another part of the city they feel is more appropriate for him. Chanel Lewis is a severely developmentally disabled black man with no history of violence, aside from what police would later fabricate.

~~Michigan~~July 30, 2016 Alexandria 'Ally' Brueger is murdered while jogging in Rose Township Michigan, several hundred miles away.

August 2, 2016 Chanel Lewis decides to return to the area to walk around. As he enters the park he sees a girl running and notices she is using a cellphone. He is certain he is about to get jumped by police if she completes the call so he knocks the phone out of her hand and hits her. She scratches him in the face and he eventually kills her.

Important to note, usually it is women who complain about an unfamiliar person in the neighborhood. Russo's last story version was that he had seen Chanel Lewis and decided to follow him, but that is probably not true. More likely a woman he knew called him, a neighbor, and he may have said something to Mr Lewis like "You are scaring a woman in this neighborhood so we are going to take you to a different neighborhood. The detail about Russo having his kids in the car is unlikely.

At any rate Mr Lewis did have good reason to believe that a local woman had called police to complain about his presence, and that was why he was attacked the first time.

August 3, 2016 The lieutenant and the police officers involved immediately suspect the mentally ill person they had attacked a few months before. Video images confirm their suspicion. They decide not to make an arrest until they can present the case in a way that will minimize the actions of Lieutenant Russo and the other cops, and convince the public that there was some other motive. Eventually they start telling the media that it was a sexual assault even though they know it wasn't.

~~Massachusetts~~August 7, 2016 Vanessa Marcotte is murdered while jogging in Princeton Massachusetts. The NYPD now has more time to find a fix since a lot of news sites are being led to believe there is a serial killer.

February 2017 The FBI has been helping promote the 'serial killer' theory to buy time for the NYPD, but because they had DNA from Marcotte's killer and Vetrano's killer they knew it was not a serial killer, and they eventually had to let that case be solved which eliminated the 'serial killer hypothesis'.

On February 4th Chanel Lewis was arrested, and on February 23, 2017, more than six months after the murder, the Worcester County District Attorney Joseph Early Jr told the public about the DNA from Marcotte's killer. Police psychologists carefully prepped Chanel Lewis so that there would be no association between the NYPD attack on Lewis and the murder of Vetrano in the 'confession'. It still took the police several takes, at least two, to get a publicizable confession.

The specific NYPD psychologists involved may be from the same NYPD unit that arranged the confession of Malthe Thomsen, a case NYPD lawyers are suppressing in the United States so it won't start a legal avalanche of exposed false confessions for police.

One problem for the NYPD is that NY State is one of only a few states that has a 'proximate theory of murder', and the NYPD has used that to prosecute people for murder when there was a much weaker causative association than exists in this case. Aside from Russo and several other officers facing possible murder charges under the same 'proximate theory' that the NYPD uses against non cops, there is also concern that the FBI agents could be charged for assisting the NYPD in their coverup.

The 'proximate theory' has been used a number of times by the NYPD to charge somebody else when one NYPD officer accidentally shoots another.

https://law.justia.com/cases/new-york/court-of-appeals/1993/82-n-y-2d-309-0.html 

https://gothamist.com/news/the-nypd-accidentally-shot-a-fellow-officer-a-queens-man-may-spend-life-in-prison-for-his-death 

So far police have refused to use such charges against police officers whose misconduct leads to a killing by a non police officer.

In this case the misconduct by the NYPD officers at the Memorial Day stop clearly is at the felony level.

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Police told a lot of lies to the victim's family after Karina Vetrano's murder

What this page looks at is whether a separate group of FBI agents sabotaged a separate investigation in Michigan, in order to encourage the public perception that a serial killer was loose, so that the NYPD would be able to postpone the Chanel Lewis arrest until they had a fix for the case's 'NYPD Memorial Day stop' problem.

It is not known whether the FBI sabotaged the Ally Brueger case. That is only a hypothesis because of their other actions in the other two cases. It is possible that they did, but it is also possible they did not.

The main purpose of this page is just to show how 'true crime' websites and most mainstream media prevent discussion of police corruption.

A secondary purpose is to encourage fairness for Chanel Lewis by pointing out what the NYPD and FBI did.

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Many police agencies in the United States have 'confession' problems

Some of the problems involve outright false confessions, like the Malthe Thomsen case.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/nyc-preschool-intern-malthe-thomsen-death-denmark-child-abuse/37863/ 

Never heard about the case? You must live in the United States.

That's because even though there is a popular documentary that gives details, that documentary has been hidden from U.S. viewers through clever legal action by NYPD and U.S. government attorneys. You will not find details of his confession easily on a U.S. website and Google limits visibility of overseas websites which discuss the case. Try to watch it in the United States and see what happens.

https://www.journeyman.tv/film/7830 

https://www.amazon.com/False-Confessions-Katrine-Philp/dp/B087MZZ88N 

Google "Malthe Thomsen confession" in the United States, and gather all the facts you can, then ask somebody in another country to watch the Journeyman video, and you will see what Google, the NYPD and the U.S. government do not want you to know.

Now multiply that by hundreds of cases.

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Another type of confession problem involves managed or 'staged' confessions by people who are guilty, but whose crimes involve parallel crimes by police officers.

For example a group of police officers who abuse a mentally ill man, causing him to flashback later and kill an innocent person.

The mentally ill person goes to prison for life in the U.S., but only if the police can hide the fact that they caused the murder by a person who had no history of violence.

Worse yet when police have to fabricate a rape to cover their misconduct.

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Police knew immediately, after finding the body, that the murder of Karina Vetrano did not have a sexual motive.

But they also knew they had to hide the real motive or police might start facing accountability when they abuse certain types of vulnerable individuals.

There are a lot of problems with Chanel Lewis's two confessions, but one of those problems will create bigger problems for the NYPD if it is discussed publicly

https://youtu.be/6AWm4kGe8e8?t=1629 

https://abc7ny.com/chanel-lewis-karina-vetranos-killer-howard-beach-jogger-murder-who-killed-vetrano/1740602/ 

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"That was Russo’s account in Queens criminal court last week in proceedings to determine what evidence will be admissible during Lewis’ coming murder trial. Police sources had previously given reporters a slightly different story, in which Russo’s tip this year led murder investigators to find a 911 call from the following day in which the caller named the man as Chanel Lewis and said he had a crowbar and looked like he might be about to break into a property with it"

 https://www.thedailybeast.com/he-confessed-to-karina-vetranos-murder-but-did-he-do-it 

Police needed to do a lot of lying after Karina Vetrano was killed so that the public would not blame the officers who had inadvertently provoked the murder.

Police sources said that Lewis confessed to the crime and that there was no motive other than he was "unhinged" and apparently upset there were so many people in the apartment where he lived with his parents.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/nypd-lieutenants-intuition-helped-catch-queens-jogger-murder/story?id=45298579 

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Below are copies of some posts removed by moderators on Websleuths.

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/mi-alexandra-brueger-31-fatally-shot-while-jogging-rose-twp-30-jul-2016-5.391840/page-22

This was posted on a Sunday morning because that is when they are slowest to delete posts. Often a post on Sunday isn't deleted by moderators until Monday, but one of the people on the thread has a father in law who is an FBI agent and that person or somebody else may have reported the posts. Dozens of people on Websleuths scour new posts to weed out comments critical of police/FBI.

Websleuths generally stifles discussion of police corruption unless several people start a rapid discussion on the subject. There is overwhelming evidence that the NYPD knew about Chanel Lewis almost immediately. The post is trying to see if the FBI sabotaged the Ally Brueger investigation too in order to keep the public thinking that there may be a serial killer. The NYPD needed the 'serial killer' theory to continue long enough that they would be able to hide the fact that it was NYPD officers who directly caused the aggression that killed Karina Vetrano. That's the simple truth.

There is no doubt that the NYPD held back on arresting Chanel Lewis until they could find a way to improve the optics of their misconduct.

There were lots of cameras between the murder place that would have showed a black guy in a hoody walking from across the street from a police station to the murder site and back, including on the Beltway he had to cross to enter the park from the north. Notice this clever deception the NYPD used to cover themselves.

https://truecrimedaily.com/2016/08/31/sketch-released-of-person-police-need-to-talk-to-in-killing-of-karina-vetrano/ 

Whether the FBI also assisted the NYPD by sabotaging the Ally Brueger investigation in Michigan is what was being researched. The NYPD needed people to believe that a serial killer might be responsible for several murders in different states.

Note that there are hundreds of articles saying a serial killer was suspected in those three murders, but Google sends a person to fringe overseas sites if they try to research it.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Serial+Killer+Three+Female+Joggers+vetrano+marcotte+brueger

Why would Google be hiding a particular avenue of research? Because there are indications that 'somebody' had been using journalists to promote the serial killer theory, and now Google is providing cover for that entity which is probably a U.S. police agency. Notice all of the U.S. results except 'National Enquirer" are buried by Google. 'BlastingNews' is a UK site.

https://www.marieclaire.com.au/serial-killer-fears-after-three-female-joggers-killed-in-us  

https://sandrarose.com/2016/08/someone-is-killing-joggers-in-ny-massachusetts-and-michigan/ 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/running-scared-three-young-female-joggers-murdered-in-nine-days-could-they-be-related/OZ2544LUHVTWLECGJJ7CIEDBRE/ 

https://us.blastingnews.com/news/2016/08/vanessa-marcotte-serial-killer-theory-gains-attention-001067587.html 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3732357/Is-serial-jogger-killer-Police-won-t-rule-links-NYC-Massachusetts-killings-lookalike-Google-worker-New-Yorker.html 

https://www.nationalenquirer.com/photos/jogger-murders-serial-killer-vanessa-marcotte-karina-vetrano/ 

Here is a two part series by Chris Hansen.

Part 1 Chris Hansen says "Police believe they may be looking for a serial killer" and the police chief says "He is traveling around and doing different places" and the mother of Ally Brueger says "Ally's murder was the first one".

https://youtu.be/KQeciTUuYSA?t=285 

 https://youtu.be/0mEaVyCOQ98?t=57

https://truecrimedaily.com/2016/11/09/female-joggers-attacked-across-u-s-single-assailant-or-random-acts/ 

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Here is a TLDR summary from one of the posts. This is what the evidence points to, something very different than the police/FBI version.

A sequential timeline.

Event 1

Police deal with a black person in Howard Beach i.e., Chanel Lewis, in an improper way which could be expected to create *hostility* in that person.

8 weeks or so pass

 

Event 2

Several weeks later, unrelated to event 1, Ally Brueger is murdered.

A few days pass

 

Event 3

Days after event 2 Karina Vetrano is murdered by the black person in Event 1 above. The killer is identified almost immediately but the NYPD hesitates to make an arrest for obvious reasons.

A few days pass

 

Event 4

Days after Event 2 and 3 Vanessa Marcotte is murdered.

Less than a day passes

 

Event 5

News sites start associating the three murders, and the mother of Ally Brueger says on a tv show that 'it is a serial killer driving around'. The implication being that law enforcement employees told her that, and led her to believe the FBI was investigating.

Several months pass

 

Event 6

Many months later the NYPD claims one of its people recalls an interaction that may have been related to the Karina Vetrano murder. The NYPD story defies logic.

So by shortly after the third murder the FBI in NY appears to have been involved.

They would have known almost as quickly as the NYPD that the Karina Vetrano killer was Chanel Lewis.

They also knew that this fact had to be hidden until it could be made palatable to the public. It would not do to tell the public "The NYPD abused a black guy with severe mental illness, in Howard Beach, and that Black person then committed a murder which any student of psychology could easily connect to the actions of the police". Howard Beach has a unique history in NY which makes the location problematic.

So the NY FBI helped the NYPD sit on Chanel Lewis, and likely contacted their offices in Massachusetts and Michigan.

 

Copied here in case somebody researches the topic, screenshots at the bottom of the page might be easier to read.

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FleaSpirit

Just a question since I do not feel like going through what looks like at least four threads of 68 pages each.

There was a company called "New Horizon Billing & Profit Recovery, LLC" on the same street, and obviously a business like that generates angry traffic.

The owner either sold the company or moved it to another city in 2018.

A few years ago looking at his online presence he seemed uncomfortable about that company, and a person has to wonder if it was because he got harassed by people or overquestioned by police, or because he didn't.

Is that discussed?

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FleaSpirit

Just to add some context of why that aspect is important.

Three girls were murdered in a very short time, a week or so. A news video from right after implies 'obviously' it is a serial killer.

The problem involves the second of the victims, Karina Vetrano.

An NYPD officer had stopped Chanel Lewis before the murder about 2 months, then called some other officers and they had forced him into a police car and dumped him in the Rockaways to 'punish' him for straying into an area where they felt he did not belong.

It was obvious almost immediately what happened to Vetrano, but the NYPD decided to sit on solving the case until they could figure out how to tidy up the perception problems that would occur after arresting him for murdering somebody a short distance from where he had been harassed by some cops. Howard beach has a history older people would remember.

The FBI helped the NYPD keep the case obscure until it could be tidied up, but did part of that FBI help involve limiting the Brueger investigation so that the 'serial killer' aspect could be used to cover the NYPD?

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Ozoner

FleaSpirit said: Just to add some context of why that aspect is important.

Three girls were murdered in a very short time, a week or so. A news video from right after implies 'obviously' it is a serial killer.

The problem involves the second of the victims, Karina Vetrano.

An NYPD officer had stopped Chanel Lewis before the murder about 2 months, then called some other officers and they had forced him into a police car and dumped him in the Rockaways to 'punish' him for straying into an area where they felt he did not belong.

It was obvious almost immediately what happened to Vetrano, but the NYPD decided to sit on solving the case until they could figure out how to tidy up the perception problems that would occur after arresting him for murdering somebody a short distance from where he had been harassed by some cops. Howard beach has a history older people would remember.

The FBI helped the NYPD keep the case obscure until it could be tidied up, but did part of that FBI help involve limiting the Brueger investigation so that the 'serial killer' aspect could be used to cover the NYPD?

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Are you confusing this case with a different one? Alexandra Brueger was killed in a semi-rural community in Oakland County, Michigan. The NYPD was not involved.

Or are you merely suggesting that the FBI's serial-killer experts were busy in New York? If that's what you're suggesting, then I'm not seeing how those dots connect.

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FleaSpirit

Ozoner said: Are you confusing this case with a different one? Alexandra Brueger was killed in a semi-rural community in Oakland County, Michigan. The NYPD was not involved.

Or are you merely suggesting that the FBI's serial-killer experts were busy in New York? If that's what you're suggesting, then I'm not seeing how those dots connect.

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3 girls jogging were killed in a week.

Right after the 3rd there was abundant speculation that a serial killer was involved, and the FBI would have looked at that aspect. You can look at news articles or interviews and that was the public perception.

The second murder though was solved almost immediately internally by the NYPD so the FBI and NYPD knew that it probably wasn't a serial killer. But the NYPD could not tell the public that they knew who the killer was, or there would be a public discussion about whether the NYPD provoked the murder.

So the NYPD sat on Chanel Lewis for a long time, then pretended to suddenly have the relevant lieutenant 'remember' the incident, etc.

The question here involves the first jogger, Ally Brueger. The FBI would have known to look into New Horizon Billing & Profit Recovery, LLC, something that local police may have missed.

So if that aspect has not been discussed on this thread then it would be interesting to try to get FBI records to see if they were aware of that aspect and buried it to keep the 'serial killer' theme alive at least until the NYPD could tidy up their Karina Vetrano narrative.

That's beyond my ability at the moment, but I'm just lining up ways to pass time in the future.

edit to clarify The FBI handles things that occur in several states, so none of the police agencies looking at the individual murders would look at the other two. But the FBI would. The public was not told that the NYPD knew about Chanel Lewis, and most likely they got help from the FBI in keeping that secret. There are a lot of small clues that the NYPD got help, and if part of that help involved suppressing facts that the FBI would have gotten quickly involving Ally Brueger then its possible the obvious implication of a collection agency down the street would have been actively suppressed. What is interesting is looking at how any discussion of that aspect was handled on this thread, and if there is obvious evidence of efforts to derail that subject, something that could be found by tediously going through hundreds of pages on this thread, but I don't feel like doing that.

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Nina Michigan

Michigan has abundant FBI resources and would not need to call in NY FBI agents for back up. Source - FIL spent 30 years as an agent.

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FleaSpirit

Nina Michigan said: Michigan has abundant FBI resources and would not need to call in NY FBI agents for back up. Source - FIL spent 30 years as an agent. That doesn't really have anything to do with it. I didn't articulate it well, so I'll try again.

A sequential timeline.

Event 1 Police deal with a black person in Howard Beach in an improper way which could be expected to create defensiveness in that person.

8 weeks or so pass

Event 2 Several weeks later, unrelated to event 1, Ally Brueger is murdered.

A few days pass

Event 3 Days after event 2 Karina Vetrano is murdered by the black person in Event 1 above. The killer is identified almost immediately but the NYPD hesitates to make an arrest for obvious reasons.

A few days pass

Event 4 Days after Event 2 and 3 Vanessa Marcotte is murdered.

Less than a day passes

Event 5 News sites start associating the three murders, and the mother of Ally Brueger says on a tv show that 'it is a serial killer driving around'. The implication being that law enforcement employees told her that, and led her to believe the FBI was investigating.

Several months pass

Event 6 Many months later the NYPD claims one of its people recalls an interaction that may have been related to the Karina Vetrano murder. The NYPD story defies logic.

So by shortly after the third murder the FBI in NY appears to have been involved.

They would have known almost as quickly as the NYPD that the Karina Vetrano killer was Chanel Lewis.

They also knew that this fact had to be hidden until it could be made palatable to the public. It would not do to tell the public "The NYPD abused a black guy with severe mental illness, in Howard Beach, and that Black person then committed a murder which any student of psychology could easily connect to the actions of the police". Howard Beach has a unique history in NY which makes the location problematic.

So the NY FBI helped the NYPD sit on Chanel Lewis, and likely contacted their offices in Massachusetts and Michigan.

So the Michigan FBI agents almost certainly got an email or other message from the NY FBI saying "Don't worry, it's not a serial killer"

The question is, did that email also say "We need to keep the serial killer possibility in the forefront of the public imagination to assist the NYPD. Please hold off on anything involving your case".

Very often such manipulations are blatant, Brittannee Drexel comes to mind.

Anybody could find out if such manipulation occurred in this case by looking at online discussion of the case and seeing how that discussion evolved.

Years ago Google was a reliable way to research such things, but unfortunately that is no longer the case.

Hence I ask on this thread "Does anybody who follows this case recall/etc/" so I don't have to spend a lot of time looking.

 

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Two weeks before Ally Brueger's death a business down the street from where she was killed became temporarily inactive, and that company filed its last financial report in March 2017 though it wasn't dissolved until February 2020.

https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_mi/801417920 

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Mzu-uhSa0boJ:https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/mi-alexandra-brueger-31-fatally-shot-while-jogging-rose-twp-30-jul-2016-5.391840/post-18157604&cd=8&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

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The digital economy has both bad and good, and a person should be aware of both.

Assassination coins are cryptocurrencies which are used to incentivize targeting specific individuals.

They can be used for unpleasant but necessary projects, but unfortunately they also lend themselves to abuse.

This page will discuss the development of those coins, their networks, and how safeguards could be developed to limit or prevent their abuse.

While it is not obviously recommended to solve problems like wrongful convictions and official misconduct with these coins, this page is being put in that section of the website because it offers an arbitrary way to distinguish between 'improper' and 'proper' use of these coins.

Google does not index sites that discuss these coins in depth, and of course most are run by law enforcement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_market 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/11/18/meet-the-assassination-market-creator-whos-crowdfunding-murder-with-bitcoins/

https://www.businessinsider.com/new-bitcoin-assassination-market-2013-11 

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Different use cases will be given for this type of coin, along with examples of how to limit inappropriate applicable development to prevent abuse.

Example of 'use case 1'.

Could an assassination coin help prevent commercial intrusions into tribal spaces, and help secure indigenous borders?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erucGGABf4E 

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The polarization of Europe eventually will lead to the loss of UK/U.S. control over global computer networks.

This does not solve the pkc issue but it will allow the creation of networks which can solve that issue locally through tribal languages across digital networks.

Certain intractable social problems will then be easily dealt with using incentivized networks, but the dangers involved in the proliferation of those networks require unusual safety measures.

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FAQS

 

How does an assassination coin work?

There are many possible designs, but today most people are referring to 'betting coins' when they talk about assassination coins

One person on the network would place a bet such as "I bet $5,000 at 1/5000 that "xx" will die at 2 pm on December 17". If he or she picks the time correctly he or she only wins $1. A person who wants to take the contract would, for example, bet $1 at 5000/1 that "xx" will die at 9 pm on December 13. If that second person guesses correctly then his or her dollar wins $5,000. This is the basic outline of how colonial/corporate groups overpower tribals, but it has been condensed and converted into the context of a coin.

Other bets are 'spam' or 'support wagers'. For example if a person knows the context and supports the project, he or she could contribute by betting $1,000 at 1/1000 that the contract would finish at 5pm on December 19. The employee would then accept that by countering the same way as the first bet. Or, if a person wanted to spam the network or weaken the contract he or she would place bets that weaken it within the rules of a specific contract.

Other options include using smart contracts to add variables.

In the above example a person could add a clause that if a certain thing happens by September 1 then the December 13 contract is voided. A person could make that alternative action pay better if there is some preferred outcome other than the death of the target. Or the amount from the preferred alternative could roll over into the December contract if the preferred outcome does not happen and the assassination becomes necessary.

In virtually all cases there is a 'preferred outcome' that does not involve killing, and that outcome should be incentivized even if it is unlikely.

All sorts of other variables, like cause of death and circumstances could also be added.

One of the problems involves confirming that a contract has been completed. "Oracle" coins or functions typically do this for most 'betting' coins, but in this case more likely would be that the person placing the contract would serve as 'oracle' for when or whether it was completed though he or she would need credibility which could be provided indirectly through a smart contract.

https://ethereum.org/en/developers/docs/oracles/ 

 

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What are the dangers of this kind of coin?

 

Are 'legality' issues relevant to these coins?

 

What does 'pretty good privacy' mean and how does it apply to tribal languages?

https://www.varonis.com/blog/pgp-encryption 

https://www.cryptologie.net/article/487/a-history-of-end-to-end-encryption-and-the-death-of-pgp/ 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Good_Privacy 

https://www.fortinet.com/resources/cyberglossary/pgp-encryption 

https://users.ece.cmu.edu/~adrian/630-f04/PGP-intro.html#p14 

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What is a cypher pad?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-time_pad 

https://www.tutorialspoint.com/cryptography_with_python/cryptography_with_python_one_time_pad_cipher.htm 

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What is 'Open Source'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source